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I was stunned (like a blow to the head) when I saw a post in atkins_recipes from nooneatall, who's apparently on a vegan recruiting drive:

hello. I am a vegan. your probably wondering why I would join this community. well I joined to let you know that their is a much healthier diet out there, my diet... the vegan diet, if done properly with the right exercise the pounds with just disappear and it will stay that way because with the vegan diet you have so much incentive because you don't just do it for yourself. and it makes you feel great about yourself, it really does. for more information you can comment on here or you can go to:
trust me it's worth simply checking out.

I replied:
How does this relate to Atkins-friendly recipes? The community information clearly states:
"This is a community for sharing low-carb recipes" and "This is not the place to post your disagreement with the idea of the Atkins diet in general. This is a support community for dieters to share recipes and kitchen tips."

Also, you're grammar could use some improvement their. *clears throat*
In further comments she went on about how terrible eating meat is and that she just wants to educate people to the "better way" so they aren't close-minded and selfish meat-eaters.

After seeing her replies to comments at atkins_recipes, I got suspicious. Turns out she'd posted the same thing, typos and all, to atkins_daily, atkins_diet and atkinsaustralia. While I respect veganism and vegetarianism, this kid's approach makes me want to slap her with bacon (with apologies to tinder, whose bacon-slapping was meaningful).

EDIT: I've already gotten two comments from people pointing out I misused "you're" and "their" in that reply. I should save my wit for the people who appreciate it.


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Jun. 24th, 2003 11:44 pm (UTC)
Thank you for the crack-up.

I REALLY needed it, today!! :)
Jun. 24th, 2003 11:53 pm (UTC)
You're welcome.

Sometimes I fear I've been spoiled by the example set early in life by my aunts -- I didn't even realize two of them were vegetarian until I was in middle school, although I knew one didn't eat dairy or gluten because her husband used to disagree with me (kindly, of course) when I said milk came from cows and sometimes goats, sheep and coconuts and my grandmother milled alternative flours for her.

I don't think I have been spoiled, though. Between my vegetarian friends from college and you and other LJ friends of mine who are vegan or vegetarian, I've always been impressed by the not-proselytizing of the two diets/lifestyles (which is more apt here?). And you inspired me to use more organic produce, though I haven't picked up a used copy of that Rodale's cookbook you recommended.
Jun. 24th, 2003 11:45 pm (UTC)
It's vegans like these that make it sometimes difficult for people like me to admit to being vegetarians. One thing that annoys me when it comes to vegetarianism, is a person who acts self righteous about the lifestyle.
Jun. 24th, 2003 11:58 pm (UTC)
Re: eek
I hope she finds she can catch more flies with honey.

After growing up with non-righteous vegetarians in my life, I think of vegetarians and vegans like I do about my friends with food allergies -- I simply have to be sensitive to what they don't/can't eat.

I've tried eating an entirely vegetarian diet, but I like meat too much. I respect anyone that can resist things that call like sirens to me.
Jun. 25th, 2003 12:10 am (UTC)
Re: eek

Sex is like that.

I swear it off.

Then, 28 seconds later, I meet someone... And RUN from them. LOL
Jun. 25th, 2003 12:07 am (UTC)
Re: eek
I simply try to make it clear that I am NOT vegan... I swallow lots and lots of organisms each and every day that are VERY unhappy about my choice to swallow!

In fact... I'm not even worried about what people think -- if they think I'm a vegetarian, I'd probably buy a steak (and, then only eat the salad and the desert... LOL). Why? Because I refuse to be "categorized."
Jun. 25th, 2003 03:07 am (UTC)
Re: eek
Heh, as an amusing aside about the self-righteousness; I once knew a girl who would get on her High Horse because she doesn't eat Mammals, and feels TERRIBLY that she still would eat Chicken and Fish, but how it's WRONG and HORRIBLE and whatnot, and then after a bit of pressing, it was discovered that the _real_ reason was that she just didn't like beef/pork.

So, uh, yeah. I don't eat tomatoes, say, but it's not because of any perceived Moral Quandary or anything -- I just hate the taste of the rat-bastards.

And, I mean, one could have that Moral Stance, coupled with the benefit of not liking the taste, that's cool [and hey, I'd imagine it'd be a benefit to the vegitarian lifestyle, since it's not hard to give up things that you dislike anyway, and disliking a taste and being upset by the conditions of meat animals/unhealthiness of meat/other reasons aren't mutually exclusive conditions], but... it was obvious from knowing her/her other characteristics/her rationale/etc. that it was basically because it was Hip To Not Eat Certain Things, And Be Self-Righteous About It. And it was kinda funny, because when it came up, she made a huge deal out of it, like it was some sort of Huge Sacrifice.

It would have really bugged me if it just weren't so... hilarious.

But... yeah. I'm not a vegitarian, but if someone else is, cool. If someone is just because they hate the taste of meat, cool. If they are because they feel it's morally wrong, cool. I just don't like the... evangelizing. Or deciding to go with the more Sexy Reason, even if that's not the real one. Because, hey, how I see it, "I don't like the taste" is 100% as legitimate a reason as the more traditonally-acceptable ones.

So, basically, I'm just presenting this story as One Person, not as a "alla youse are like that!!1" or anything, because, well, that seems to me, just as bad/stupid as the Vegan in the Atkins group.

...sadly, I think the only reason I need to clarify is just that there's a lot of self-righteous Meat Eaters, too. Although that role is occasionally fun to play to mess with people (i.e., when confronted with a Self-Righteous Vegetarian), it's a bit silly. Although, the look on their faces when you tell them that you have meat with every meal just to get the great taste of cruelty, and if you're forced to have a meatless meal, you like to call up a slaughterhouse just to berate a cow over the phone....
Jun. 25th, 2003 12:31 am (UTC)
Wow. Just wow.

Her website (?) and LJ info is rather scary. I can totally respect vegans and veggies, I have a few friends that have chosen that life style, but I don't think they'd be my friends if they pushed it upon me whenever they saw the chance. I tried the whole veg thing once, but I love me a big ole slab of cow entirely too much.
Jun. 25th, 2003 03:39 am (UTC)
hahaha. I just read all of that. People are just idiots, plain and simple. I don't even understand why people even give a shit about what other people eat? My best friend is vegan and all I eat is meat practically and we don't have a problem. bleh. Who really cares, yah know?

EDIT: I've already gotten two comments from people pointing out I misused "you're" and "their" in that reply. I should save my wit for the people who appreciate it.

That was the best part. haha. :)

Jun. 25th, 2003 05:59 pm (UTC)
I was just amazed that she posted about veganism to Atkins communities. Oh well.

I think I need a blinking sarcasm light for when I try to use it at odd hours of the night -- my lunch table in high school used to joke I needed that and a flashing TMI light since I'd use my hands to indicate when I was being obviously sarcastic or about to say something that might squick people out. *thinks* Maybe I'll just make animated .gifs of them for LJ use. People will run in droves from the TMI light. (:
Jun. 25th, 2003 06:48 am (UTC)
Thanks for pointing this out - since I'm kinda "recovering" from the surgery still, I haven't really been paying much attention to any communities. I'm gonna go ahead and delete his post and ban him (if i can figure that out)
Jun. 25th, 2003 06:56 am (UTC)
When I was a Vegetarian for 3 years, people were more interested in drilling me about what I ate. It was such a huge topic at public functions. It was annoying.

I had no interest in what they chose to ate. To each their own.

My children LOVE soy milk and rice milk because during that time and for 3 years which is a big portion of their lives that is all they drank.
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