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A "No" vote on CA Proposition 8 will annul no marriages.

A "Yes" vote on CA Proposition 8 will annul over 10,000 marriages (many with kids).

Which vote is REALLY "protecting marriage"?


(NOTE: Each and every single vote WILL count. There is no "electoral college" for referendums.)




...reposted from kproche via johno.

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polyhymnia
Oct. 24th, 2008 09:16 pm (UTC)
Do you have any CA readers who would vote yes? I'm definitely voting no.

There is no electoral college at the state level at all, no matter what kind of vote it is. Only the presidential election is affected by that issue AFAIK.
jrsonday
Oct. 25th, 2008 01:27 am (UTC)
CA proposition 8 would allow gay marriage?

Why would it annul marriages?
jrsonday
Oct. 25th, 2008 01:28 am (UTC)
I'm not in CA.
redqueenofevil
Oct. 25th, 2008 01:45 am (UTC)
CA 8 clarification
Gay marriage is already allowed in CA, so if passing of prop 8 happens, many marriages would be annulled. Outside interests (non CA based organizations) have been pouring millions of dollars into this campaign to get it passed, and they're using lies to do so. One special interest group has claimed that churches who fail to marry gay couples could lose their tax exempt status. It's a blatant lie, and you can thank the Mormons in particular, for this bit of misinformation.

Basically, prop 8 is to make marriage between one man, one woman only, and would annul any marriage between gays, lesbians and transgendered families. oddharmonic is correct in how many children would be affected if prop 8 passes. Probably more than 10k.

Hope that helps.
jrsonday
Oct. 25th, 2008 01:46 am (UTC)
Re: CA 8 clarification
Okay, that makes a lot of sense. Thank you. I was just confused on which way it would turn things I guess. D'oh!

Stupid prop 8. I hate it.
redqueenofevil
Oct. 25th, 2008 02:10 am (UTC)
Re: CA 8 clarification
Me too.

And no problem. Happy to oblige, actually!
redqueenofevil
Oct. 25th, 2008 01:39 am (UTC)
This is one of the best paraphrases of this amendment I've seen.

Someone commented to me yesterday that if they're so pro kids and stuff, why is prop 8 outlawing gay marriage, when they could just abolish divorce? Rather scary tactic, but an eye opening comment.


I like to think of prop 8 as the 'homophobic' prop. I really hope it fails. As a (now) Californian, I think prop 8 and prop 4 are more important than the presidential election. If either of these pass, it's going to be really tough repealing them, and that has me more frightened than just about anything else.

/soapbox.
Daniel [oeconomist.com]
Oct. 25th, 2008 03:27 am (UTC)
Although I oppose Proposition 8 (http://www.oeconomist.com/blogs/daniel/?p=689), it will not annul any marriages. For it to do so would violate the combined effects of the federal constitutional provision against ex post facto laws and the Fourteenth Amendment. The state AG has plainly said that Proposition 8 would not act retroäctively; the state Supreme Court, which ruled in favor of the legality of same-sex marriage, would not interpret the Proposition broadly.
blueeyed
Oct. 27th, 2008 10:40 pm (UTC)
I live in CA. I'm voting no on Prop 8. I also registered Ryan as a first time voter, and he'll also vote no. Our City Hall wedding day just wouldn't have been the same without the gay bears.
oddharmonic
Oct. 27th, 2008 11:09 pm (UTC)
I am so pleased that Ryan will be voting for the first time!

San Francisco has the best city hall weddings. Every time I hear from friends there about them, it makes me want to get married there someday.
blueeyed
Oct. 27th, 2008 11:14 pm (UTC)
I'm also pleased, but hope that he votes the way that I want him to!

It really was nice. Also, I'm a sucker for a bargain!!
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